tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post1438401042299238588..comments2024-03-03T15:01:00.402-05:00Comments on Joanne Mattera Art Blog: Marketing Mondays: Giving and TakingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-43621402824183978282013-11-02T22:12:37.432-04:002013-11-02T22:12:37.432-04:00Such a great article Joanne! I am reminded of a q...Such a great article Joanne! I am reminded of a quote from the film "The Red Shoes" where a young conductor is stolen from by his own professor. The young conductor is told: "It is worth remembering, that it is much more disheartening to have to steal than to be stolen from, hmmm?" This has really stuck with me as I finish off my graduate degree in Painting. Burgundy and Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05419414625834976750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-82503374984396893092013-01-13T23:17:03.216-05:002013-01-13T23:17:03.216-05:00Years ago I sold a piece to someone who probably d...Years ago I sold a piece to someone who probably dismantled it, made terrible likenesses and got a solo show at the same gallery. I went to see her show to introduce myself, and walked away speechless .. and very sad. <br />I 'll share anything with friends and people who ring true; after reading this interesting post, I'll feel better about avoiding leeches. <br />Trust your gut and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-73628949640283562102012-03-13T11:27:11.550-04:002012-03-13T11:27:11.550-04:00This is a great post, and the comments too are hel...This is a great post, and the comments too are helpful to read. I guess we've all had some parallel experience -- even someone like me, who is pretty invisible although I've been working at developing my imagery and techniques for decades. I have shared technical info, giving and taking; I never think that work ought to depend upon technique alone. I will be more thoughtful about raising Ravenna Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11870831212657666842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-13650425965633729982012-03-04T02:34:10.674-05:002012-03-04T02:34:10.674-05:00Anon: Precisely. And they kept visiting each other...Anon: Precisely. And they kept visiting each other's studios. There was something good going on, something reciprocal, a wonderful example of "giving and taking." Picasso's and Braque's guitars are virtually indistinguishable, but they knew they were onto something, which turned out to be Cubism.Joanne Matterahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564594823192456546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-47861228656098308322012-03-04T02:22:25.563-05:002012-03-04T02:22:25.563-05:00Picasso and Matisse stole ideas from on another ev...Picasso and Matisse stole ideas from on another every studio visit. There's a compelling book about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-29614779592524279892012-02-24T14:31:36.872-05:002012-02-24T14:31:36.872-05:00I am a pleine aire painter who worked in the woods...I am a pleine aire painter who worked in the woods and on the streets of the Hudson Valley for a couple of decades, developing my "voice". I recently moved to Kansas. I've taught workshops, etc, and shown and sold my work extensively. <br />One of the last times I was painting on the street in Kingston, NY, a young girl came up to me and said, "I'm an artist too! I love Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-52377211837450885122012-02-23T10:11:26.525-05:002012-02-23T10:11:26.525-05:00I was pretty suprised to find out a certain "...I was pretty suprised to find out a certain "friend' had offered to teach a workshop I was already booked in to do. In fact she was so insistent that the organiser of the workshop had to state pretty firmly that they were very happy with me and that they wouldnt be calling her. It was sad because I had thought of this person as a friend. I had previously heard her on numerous occasions mogodbeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11992507826987684788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-22107899737448610942012-02-23T08:15:20.357-05:002012-02-23T08:15:20.357-05:00Thanks for this great post, Joanne, and thanks als...Thanks for this great post, Joanne, and thanks also to all who made the insightful comments. I'm sure that all practicing artists must come up against these concerns. Walking the line between generously sharing your knowledge and shooting yourself in the pocketbook is difficult to determine. I have usually tried to share what I know with other artists but if I don't get reciprocity, I Nancy Natalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03325421420384484035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-34465046030012580072012-02-22T13:42:11.961-05:002012-02-22T13:42:11.961-05:00Great article, Joanne, and some really great comme...Great article, Joanne, and some really great comments.<br /><br />I'm both a painter and photographer, and my photography is based on a niche market of equestrian sports. Several years ago, a group of us pros thought that it would be a wonderful idea to start a network that allowed us to share techniques, business practices and the like. As the group grew and began to accept less experienced Terri Millerhttp://www.terrimiller.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-30963250158835946762012-02-21T21:28:33.694-05:002012-02-21T21:28:33.694-05:00I used to teach small children art it was about sh...I used to teach small children art it was about sharing, not copying each other and not rushing to finish your work, I taught in a way that encouraged them to work over longer periods of time. I think its an important thing as an artist to learn and I think its good to teach this at a young age. Kids can move fast in Gym class, I wanted art to be a place where your mind could wander a bit. As farlucy minkhttp://www.lucymink.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-21046164033426509502012-02-21T16:24:35.501-05:002012-02-21T16:24:35.501-05:00What a great post Joanne!
I think that the bottom ...What a great post Joanne!<br />I think that the bottom line is competition and jelousy. It is so hard for many artists...people...to accept the success of others and be happy for them. We live in such a competitive world that it makes everyone feel like they have to be better, smarter, more successful, etc...etc...It's exhausting. Because of this, many people are so needy, they want attentionDora Ficherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09462521201444120493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-5638795973978014442012-02-21T16:14:56.773-05:002012-02-21T16:14:56.773-05:00Does it all come down to knowing who we are dealin...Does it all come down to knowing who we are dealing with before opening a vein for them? When artists ask technique questions in a gallery opening, I find that inappropriate. It's better to ask, "Do you teach technique" and then schedule and pay for a class but don't ask for it for free.<br />Friends share and asking is fine but we can be respectful if a friend politely turns Hylla Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14778545364614446114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-50389899898286955972012-02-21T14:06:27.389-05:002012-02-21T14:06:27.389-05:00So much to comment on, so I will just stick with t...So much to comment on, so I will just stick with the last few posts:<br />. Wendy mentioned the woman who bought a bunch of books in preparation of teaching workshops. This is all too common, alas. What happens is that a hobby mentality pervades an entire stratum of artists and work in a particular medium.<br />. Kate, you are a generous person and a talented artist. I just hope you aren't Joanne Matterahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564594823192456546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-84752113322668668982012-02-21T13:33:30.907-05:002012-02-21T13:33:30.907-05:00Adrienne, that boundary violation doesn't soun...Adrienne, that boundary violation doesn't sound so subtle to me, unless the title was something like "New Work." Is it a title that s/he definitely got from you? But you're right, "consider the source" is generally a good thing to do before reacting.Oriane Stenderhttp://orianestender.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-75773039495264784892012-02-21T13:21:40.013-05:002012-02-21T13:21:40.013-05:00I took a workshop a number of years ago and while ...I took a workshop a number of years ago and while waiting in line at the school store to purchase supplies another student was in there buying up practically ever tutorial book in the shop. She was new to metalworking (as she mentioned in the intros having recently having to retire form her profession.) The cashier joked saying she should leave some books for the other students and the woman Wendy Edsall-Kerwinhttp://hammermarks.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-49028406506409381512012-02-21T13:14:16.067-05:002012-02-21T13:14:16.067-05:00Thank you for this (as always) well-written and tr...Thank you for this (as always) well-written and trenchant article, Joanne.<br /><br />It occurs to me that this is yet another area where artists are expected to "give it away for free" and may be looked on as selfish if they don't comply. We owe it to ourselves to protect our careers as artists, if we regard ourselves with any seriousness at all.<br /><br />I recently had the Adrienne Mouminhttp://www.picturexhibit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-8817856893747106732012-02-21T12:48:59.861-05:002012-02-21T12:48:59.861-05:00I share opportunities with fellow artists... by po...I share opportunities with fellow artists... by posting on FB or emailing them directly if it is a specific match. I also look for opportunities to match curators with artists. <br /><br />There have been a few artists I think are brilliant and deserve much more attention,and I have become their champions... I really don't care if they ever "pay me back", I do it for a larger Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00344489931742049897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-20133889031354417722012-02-21T12:25:17.627-05:002012-02-21T12:25:17.627-05:00Great topic, Joanne. I had one experience where I ...Great topic, Joanne. I had one experience where I felt ripped off by a colleague, in both concept and technique. It went on for quite a long time and this artist became more successful with his work than I am with mine and, yes, I have some bitterness about it. I did have a gut feeling early on that this person was an opportunist, a bit of a user, but I was inexperienced and didn't realize Oriane Stenderhttp://orianestender.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-8380952466069483252012-02-21T10:55:41.883-05:002012-02-21T10:55:41.883-05:00Great post. I recently attended a local arts salon...Great post. I recently attended a local arts salon that was set up last year. Artists, critics and curators are invited to a different artist's studio on a monthly basis to share techniques, process and talk constructively about the work in a protective forum. <br /><br />It was a wonderful experience, and all of the artists involved were generous and thoughtful. The event challenges the Victoria Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291330032156184322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-37588360641815973462012-02-20T21:01:19.623-05:002012-02-20T21:01:19.623-05:00Thank you Joanne for another thought provoking and...Thank you Joanne for another thought provoking and informative post. And thanks Catherine for sharing the article by Lynn Basa...more on point information. "Anonymous" said there's jealousy out there. That's true. But one thing I've learned from reading Joanne's<br />MM's this last year, is that ALL OF IT takes a lot of work. If you want to be "successful" Christinehttp://www.christineaaron.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-80182032950937828912012-02-20T20:38:05.243-05:002012-02-20T20:38:05.243-05:00I am a recent MFA (2009), and this issue is partic...I am a recent MFA (2009), and this issue is particularly sticky. I was in a reasonably small and close knit grad program, and it is natural that we all feel that we are competing for the very few jobs out there. Recently, I reminded a friend of an imminent deadline for a job. She threw together the application for a job that I had been working on for days, and ended up with an interview. My Jessie VanderLaanhttp://www.jessievanderlaan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-71588270673973994972012-02-20T19:40:09.421-05:002012-02-20T19:40:09.421-05:00Exceptional post, Joanne. I can identify with some...Exceptional post, Joanne. I can identify with something in almost every comment. I guess I am most like the naive person who will keep helping anyone who really wants help. I'm also realistic... I shy away from the ones you find are just using you.CMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05946336431994312623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-124248729739917102012-02-20T19:01:28.954-05:002012-02-20T19:01:28.954-05:00If you can make a work that is very much you, I de...If you can make a work that is very much you, I defy someone to be able to copy it, or at least for very long. I knew one artist who said she tried copying many artists, just to see what was what (I find that weird - why bother?) and said she couldn't copy mine, which gave me satisfaction. But this same artist was truly paranoid in thinking many people were copying her! We do not own formats,Evahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04526963554623770078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-20942478215856119102012-02-20T17:50:45.821-05:002012-02-20T17:50:45.821-05:00Great post Joanne.
the giving and taking is a deli...Great post Joanne.<br />the giving and taking is a delicate balance.<br /><br />Recently a dealer of mine told me that she was showing "artist x" partly because artist x used my name when submitting the package. Artist x never asked me if she could use my name. I was not happy about that.<br /><br />Teaching is tricky because being a good teacher is being generous. <br />I saw a lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01438282508299206670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-28807088105813972802012-02-20T15:36:58.573-05:002012-02-20T15:36:58.573-05:00As I teach printmaking, I am well aware of the stu...As I teach printmaking, I am well aware of the students who just copy my work. Forever, in the class time, I repeat that they are there to build on their own work. Alas! sometimes I will walk into an exhibition and for a fleeting moment wonder if I entered my own work as that familiar thud hits me in the chest? Several years ago I gathered a group of past/present students (adults) to form The J.G.Nieuwenhofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00999704470659831912noreply@blogger.com