tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post2901058552721866331..comments2024-03-03T15:01:00.402-05:00Comments on Joanne Mattera Art Blog: Marketing Mondays: Chihuly, Inc.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-66462469901470869142011-07-28T08:25:34.592-04:002011-07-28T08:25:34.592-04:00What bugs me about Chihuly is not his business mod...What bugs me about Chihuly is not his business model (which is his choice, not for me to criticize); nor his aesthetic or lack of evolution (which means he may now be more of a production craftsperson than an artist now), or the fact that most of the publicity is his own effort.<br /><br />I don't find much of a difference between him and Thomas Kincade--we may pride ourselves on having 'Luann Udellhttp://www.LuannUdell.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-31577826130034041232011-07-02T04:48:52.830-04:002011-07-02T04:48:52.830-04:00Is there really any one model for success in the a...Is there really any one model for success in the art world? I don't think so. Is there one way of creating that imply the artwork has more or less aesthetic value?<br /><br />The comparisons to Kinkade made me think. But there's a major difference to me personally - Chihuly's installations are mind-blowingly beautiful. When his work was shown at Kew Gardens in London I literally sat Tina Mammoserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407199513409994699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-51273333264331995512011-07-01T22:39:12.405-04:002011-07-01T22:39:12.405-04:00Yasmin and others,
The issue for me is not that C...Yasmin and others,<br /><br />The issue for me is not that Chihuly does what he does. It's the over-the-top degree to which he does it. (He is, of course, entitled to do whatever he wishes, and to whatever degree.) I noted that his production has created jobs for many artists, artisans and other creative and business types. <br /><br />Bourgeois did indeed have stitchers working for her, and Joanne Matterahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564594823192456546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-7018653318881236002011-07-01T22:05:31.096-04:002011-07-01T22:05:31.096-04:00No problems with Mr. Chihuly, his art, or his busi...No problems with Mr. Chihuly, his art, or his business practices. <br /><br />Interesting that the post immediately below this one is on the textile works of Louise Bourgeoise. (Would this be intentional?) It is my understanding that Miz Louise did not sit with bent back hand stitching this work. <br /><br />Craft is back breaking work. Physically demanding, and often hazardous. Creative Yasmin Saburhttp://yasminsaburart.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-24123378330492008782011-06-30T10:32:29.550-04:002011-06-30T10:32:29.550-04:00Very interesting article. As artists we are taught...Very interesting article. As artists we are taught about integrity of the work and being true to ourselves. We are never really taught how to be great business people. Kudos to Dale. You may not like his work or how he conducts his business, but you have to respect the fact that he knows how to get his work seen and sold.Gary J. Noland Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00626256856663168966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-38063196532149230612011-06-29T21:37:05.636-04:002011-06-29T21:37:05.636-04:00I was quite a jazz hound in the 70s and 80s. I rem...I was quite a jazz hound in the 70s and 80s. I remember how scandalized some of my friends were when George Benson started making overtly commercial albums. Benson's response was "look, when I was the darling of the critics, I had creditors hounding me. Now critics can't stand me, but my house is paid off and I can put my kids through college, and I'm still making music I like.&diana greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05140450794638464716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-6733743838406498902011-06-28T18:30:38.185-04:002011-06-28T18:30:38.185-04:00Joanne, this reminds me of your earlier post "...Joanne, this reminds me of your earlier post "The ___ Artist." I think that if his work were properly contextualized as craft or design, people would have fewer problems with Chihuly. That he's an "artist" for people who have little understanding of or deep interest in art is chafing, but then again, those folks are never going to be my clients and he's employing a lotkim matthewshttp://kimmatthewsart.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-22650209541617384882011-06-28T11:09:28.675-04:002011-06-28T11:09:28.675-04:00"... serious art is real art". Yes, that..."... serious art is real art". Yes, that is what we are to believe, that is what is taught or perhaps better to say 'pushed.' Of course, this leads to all the questions that are heard over and over e.g. what is art, etc.? <br /><br />What we have here is the creating of objects declared art and the very clever marketing of those objects as art. I suppose we can call this the Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08222536594258522300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-88852342648173119222011-06-28T09:12:42.541-04:002011-06-28T09:12:42.541-04:00The aesthetics model most of us were taught is ser...The aesthetics model most of us were taught is serious art is real art. Ideas are what are important. While I don't consider him a great artist, I do wonder why his work is craft and Flavin's work is art. If Chihuly worked in strict geometric forms with a severely limited palette rather than curvilinear with many colors, would the work seem more like serious art? <br />Interesting post, Mery Lynnhttp://mlmccorkle.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-49745686157639305382011-06-28T04:56:08.322-04:002011-06-28T04:56:08.322-04:00The thing I always find so interesting about these...The thing I always find so interesting about these discussions is all the mixed messages:<br /><br />As artists we're supposed to "put ourselves out there" and promote out work, but then on the other hand we're supposed to reign it back in and respectfully wait for "critical" approval and recognition?<br /><br />So my question is---what if that approval from curators, Kesha Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765548837851321028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-73535791170327649872011-06-27T20:47:11.420-04:002011-06-27T20:47:11.420-04:00Hmmm. Although I don't find his work nourishin...Hmmm. Although I don't find his work nourishing after the initial wow factor of what is possible with glass, there is much I admire about Chihuly's business model. He is clearly quite driven, compulsively controlling, and his business provides employment for many craftspeople. But I see him as a businessman, not a visionary artist. He is not the first artist to take charge of the whole Tamarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15820235952600662107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-52144399841772476392011-06-27T17:06:18.465-04:002011-06-27T17:06:18.465-04:00I just saw the Chihuly exhibit at MFA/Boston. Some...I just saw the Chihuly exhibit at MFA/Boston. Some of the work is really wonderful, some much less interesting. It doesn't nurture my own work but is is fun, colorful delightful work. But I agree with some of the other posts that the hands on process is what art making is all about for me. Last year when I had some hand issues I asked my assistant to help carve some lines on my panels and I Susan Schwalbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02570986627500479581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-88708311369602474282011-06-27T15:55:38.919-04:002011-06-27T15:55:38.919-04:00Dale had a show here at the de Young and Kenneth B...Dale had a show here at the de Young and Kenneth Baker, (our last remaining art critic) panned the show claiming it was all pretty colors and no content. This article brought even more people to the show. And yes they were selling the "studio" pieces at the museum shop, for $5000. I agree that Dale Inc, is making so much work that he will devalue his own work eventually...yes male, EPGoldenberghttp://www.eileenpgoldenberg.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-40006692740372976362011-06-27T14:15:51.451-04:002011-06-27T14:15:51.451-04:00I admire a marketing machine-it takes balls to be ...I admire a marketing machine-it takes balls to be successful. And I like a lot of his stuff (the term eye candy is very apt), his museum installations are fun to experience and a huge thumbs up for putting the Seattle glass scene on the map. <br />But he has stopped evolving, or at least it seems he's been in the same place for a very long time. I don't see anything wrong with where he&#Kye Sanghahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12779155365923013421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-10023278170409264082011-06-27T13:34:02.114-04:002011-06-27T13:34:02.114-04:00Living in Seattle in the early 90's, it was q...Living in Seattle in the early 90's, it was quite popular amongst the artist crowd to be a Chihuly "hater". I could never decide what I thought. <br /><br />These are the things that I can't get out of my mind:<br /><br />He does bring art awareness to the general public. His glass museum in Tacoma and the public art "glass bridge" are beautiful and a great asset Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-24342692958645822782011-06-27T12:16:47.922-04:002011-06-27T12:16:47.922-04:00Right on Dale !
On a certain level I know were he...Right on Dale !<br /><br />On a certain level I know were he is coming from . For 30 years I have made Precision Metal Objects, most of the time a customer gives me a blue print. Once I figure it out in my head how it should be made .I am done .In my head I have already moved on to the next job.<br /><br />The last thing I want to do is make it, in fact for me to go out in the shop and have and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-34198709195209374742011-06-27T11:31:34.968-04:002011-06-27T11:31:34.968-04:00In Grad school, a great professor,Mernet Larson wh...In Grad school, a great professor,Mernet Larson who told me that when I reach a place in my work where it was always comfortable I should move on to the next phase or tangent, she said, "if youre not feeling anxious, youre not discovering or searching anything, youre just repeating what you already know"<br />Still you have to admire him as a businessman and in this day and age when Kate P. Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16462454681795313276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-13804189056732794462011-06-27T11:27:56.703-04:002011-06-27T11:27:56.703-04:00Thanks for this, very compelling. I always enjoyed...Thanks for this, very compelling. I always enjoyed Chihuly's work when seen in a big space, like a swanky hotel lobby and his process is fascinating, his balls, big, but... I always have a problem with any art that basically doesnt move, it arrives at a point of success and then repeats itself, when does art become production and is it then still art, for myself to call it art, it needs to beKate P. Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16462454681795313276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-63408689802183194312011-06-27T08:09:31.906-04:002011-06-27T08:09:31.906-04:00Well, more power to him. I actually enjoy a lot of...Well, more power to him. I actually enjoy a lot of his work, as overblown as it is (pun not intended). Some of it is a bit coarse, but in general it's great big eye candy and if that stimulates the the sensibilities of the general public, then good. <br /><br />I cannot personally aspire to his modus operandi; my temperament doesn't allow it: too much frenzy. And his comment—"I wasLXVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18396149640519096992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-73968569558612074032011-06-27T07:39:19.363-04:002011-06-27T07:39:19.363-04:00Who can say? But it isn't what I would want f...Who can say? But it isn't what I would want for my life. I'm not sure he would fit my definition of an artist, at least not what I would want to be. But I will say, he is giving of him time. He came to Taos and helped the young people set up a studio. That was pretty amazing.annell4https://www.blogger.com/profile/07629830133868270690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-33496883946298583032011-06-27T07:31:16.073-04:002011-06-27T07:31:16.073-04:00This article raise very important questions like: ...This article raise very important questions like: is it art if it's not made like we think art should be made? Is it art if the artist says it is art? is it art if it borrows design elements?<br /><br />I have always thought Chihuly, Inc. as a design house. and when we see motorcycles, guitars, fashion all in important museum shows why are we SO concerned about Chihuly shows.<br /><br />mariandioguardi.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16963944767715466681noreply@blogger.com